Why Are Calvinists So Negative (and Often Unfriendly)?
I made the mistake of letting myself get drawn into a Facebook discussion with several individuals who strongly espouse Reformed theology, otherwise and sometimes better known as Calvinism. The cause of my error in judgment was the following post made by one of my online Facebook friends:
“The alternative to a sovereign God is a sovereign man. The alternative to a determining God is a determining man.The idea of God predestinating from eternity (Eph. 1:4–5) is offensive to many. The alternative to a decreeing God, however, is a spectator God, one who is Himself subject to the actions of men in time and history.”
**For an overview of Calvinism, read “What Are The Five Points of Calvinism?” – an article I wrote over at Suite101 Protestantism**
While I agree fully with the Calvinistic premise of God’s full sovereignty and our (humanity’s) depravity, I nevertheless saw a logical fallacy here. My friend was presenting a false dichotomy. These are not the only two choices or options. So, I responded with the following statement:
“It’s only clear cut like this…if God is unable to decree. I agree that God has complete power, authority, and control. The issue is whether God, at least to SOME degree, delegates a certain level of choice to human beings. That God may choose to delegate doesn’t make Him a mere spectator.”
This triggered a fairly extensive and increasingly vigorous debate, in which I was clearly in the minority. And I must confess. I was not prepared for the fervor of it, and was not in the best frame of mind at the time. And I took some of the things said too personally. One of my weaknesses is that I can, at times, be overly sensitive. And my weakness came out in the discussion. Yet another situation in which God is working on toughening me up.
Regardless of my personal involvement, however, the experience has caused me to reflect on a larger question: Why are Calvinists so negative and, at times, unfriendly?
Now, let me put out a quick disclaimer. I’m not suggesting that all Calvinists or all those who hold to Reformed theology are arrogant, hostile, and unfriendly. Nor am I suggesting that all those with whom I recently sparred are negative and unfriendly. And I’m not saying that those who criticize Calvinism are all “peaches and creams” all the time. There are plenty of hotheads to go around on this issue. Nevertheless, it does seem that there’s a tendency for more people on one side of this debate to be at least a tad more negative and argumentative than on the other side. I should also clarify that by “negative,” I am referring to their tone in how they handle debates and discussions surrounding the issues of Election.
There are quite a few anecdotes and examples that I could share to bolster my contention that Calvinists tend to be disproportionately negative and unfriendly compared with those with whom they differ. In addition to some interesting conversations I’ve had with fellow pastors and Christians over the years, I’ve read numerous online articles, blog posts, and Internet discussions where anyone who challenges any point of Calvinism is branded a heretic and/or dismissed as being biblically shallow or doctrinally ignorant. I find this to be particularly distressing when Calvinists dismiss scholars like Norman Geisler, Paige Patterson, Elmer Towns, often in mean-spirited ways.
John Piper, a leading Reformed theologian of today, acknowledges this tendency. He writes: “The intellectual appeal of the system of Calvinism draws a certain kind of intellectual person, and that type of person doesn’t tend to be the most warm, fuzzy, and tender. Therefore this type of person has a greater danger of being hostile, gruff, abrupt, insensitive or intellectualistic.” I can tell you that Piper is absolutely correct in this, and I appreciate his candor. I also appreciate how he classifies this tendency, for he goes on to say: “It’s a sad and terrible thing that that’s the case.” (You can read a transcript of Piper’s remarks at his own Desiring God website).
This is, I think, one of the serious pitfalls of Calvinism. It is a doctrinal system that can lend itself to intellectual pride and divisiveness. This should not be the case. That we are part of the Elect is no cause for pride. It’s cause for gratitude. And that the Scriptures make the case for election (which they do – the difference I have with many Calvinists is on the nature of the election), it shouldn’t lead us to quarrels and division. As it says in 2 Timothy, we are not to “quarrel” or “strive” needlessly, but rather to engage in constructive study and discussion on issues such as this.
I would like to also point out that just because Reformed theology is intellectually satisfying, it doesn’t make it intellectually superior. As Ben Witherington says: “[I]t is perfectly possible to argue logically and coherently in a hermeneutical or theological circle with all parts connected, and unfortunately be dead wrong– because one drew the circle much too small and left out all the inconvenient contrary evidence. This sort of fault is inevitable with theological systems constructed by finite human beings.” (You can read Dr. Witherington’s full statement here).
I find myself applauding Witherington, when he goes on to say: ”I must confess that as a NT scholar I am inherently suspicious about theological systems like Calvinism or Dispensationalism or even Arminianism and the like which seem to foster certain kinds of feelings of intellectual certainty and even smugness about things that are in fact profound mysteries.”
Christians need to be much more humble, cordial, and gentle in handling such mysteries and controversies. It amazes me how some Calvinists can argue for biblical authority and then point to scriptural passages to bolster their Reformed theology, and yet, at the same time, completely ignore or sidestep passages that call Christians to gentleness, unity, and humility. As stereotypical as this may sound, I simply haven’t met that many Calvinists who are “gentle” and “apt to teach” (2 Timothy 2:24). And while they talk a great deal about the wonderful gift of grace God bestows on us, they often show little grace to those with whom they disagree. Once again, I’m not suggesting that Calvinists are exclusively at fault here, but I find that the more committed they are to their Reformed doctrine, the more pugnacious they can be in their tone.
Some of my Calvinist friends reading this may argue that they themselves are not “pugnacious” or unfriendly when debating the merits of their position. This may be the case, but perception matters. As Abraham Piper (son of John Piper) writes: “To many, Calvinists [do] come across as self-righteous, condescending, arrogant, unfriendly, argumentative, and even stingy.” (Read “Be a Kinder Calvinist” by Abraham Piper). Perception matters, and Christians on all sides need to be sensitive to how they come across.
Finally, one has to ask to what “profit” this debate has for the Kingdom of God, when it takes on such tones and especially when it spills out into the mainstream, non-Christian culture. What kind of message does it send to the unsaved for Christians to go around emphasizing that they are part of the Elect, the Chosen Few? What does it say to an unsaved man or woman to hear or observe Christians harshly debating the nature of God’s grace?
In future posts, I will address the issue of divine election more specifically. But, my main point here is simply this…
I hope more Christians will model love, patience, humility, grace, and unity in handling this issue, for that is what God wants of His children and His church.
Brian,
I appreciate this post. I think you are right on in all that you have quoted and said. To be quite honest I am totally weary of those who follow a system created so clearly opposite of God’s character. We need to be careful when our system of theology strays from God’s love and care for all of His
people.
Hi Brian,
As a Calvinist, I think you make an excellent point. Many times Calvinists can be outright jerks. No doubt about it. I’ve probably been a jerk before myself, and if so, I hope that I come to repentance. Although you go to great pains to say that those on the other side of this debate can often be the same, I think that one of the problems here is a matter of perspective. In debates these days–political, religious, whatever–we tend to give our own side the benefit of the doubt and demonize the other side, no matter what. Take the previous comment, for example. I don’t know Bruce Yeager, but probably he’s a good guy and a good Christian. But to say my theological system is “created so clearly opposite of God’s character” means that I am a blasphemer. I misrepresent God, who he is, and what his priorities are. If this is the case, I am in BIG trouble. But I don’t think this is the case, so I could go to great lengths to try to argue for my position from the Scriptures–or, I could take the easy route and try to demean Bruce and his position. But that, I think, would be sinful folly–especially to demean Bruce, who I’ve never met.
We’re probably not going to agree on this, but I still think that the debates benefit the church, even if sometimes (pr often) we sinfully mess up how we conduct the debates. These issues touch on the depravity of mankind, the character of God, and a host of other issues–things that are vital to understanding God’s Word. You are quite right to point out that we need to conduct ourselves with love always, even to those with whom we disagree, keeping in mind that from our own perspective we tend to give those like us the benefit of the doubt and not extend that grace to those unlike us.
Well, there’s certainly vehement argumentation on both sides of this issue, and has been for centuries. Thankfully, both sides have toned it down from the early days when people were getting burned at the stake for dissent such as was entered into in your facebook debate.
Since I’ve mostly had good, reasonable and calm discussions with both my Calvinist and my free will friends, I can’t really address whether or not calvinists are predisposed (predestined? *ducks to avoid flying objects*) to be more vehement in their argumentation. But I can see why they might be…
A belief in free will, amongst other things, comes with the presumption that individuals can change, repent, alter their beliefs by acts of will. This makes the prospect of ‘conversion by persuasion’ feasible, and informs much of the apologetics whereby we try to validate logically a case for God’s existence, Jesus’ divinity, the Bible’s accuracy, etc. And any communicator will tell you that if your goal is to win converts to your views, acting self-righteous and condescending isn’t going to do it. So the free will folks probably have a strong incentive to be civil, understanding, and sympathetic to their opponents’ views, in hopes of maintaining a dialogue and hence an opportunity to convert.
A Calvinist, on the other hand, is of the view that whether or not you are saved, and probably whether or not you will ever become a Calvinist, is purely a consequence of God’s sovreign will. This removes any sense whereby the Calvinist, by eloquence or logical argumentation, might persuade you to his belief set. Thus, instead of the attempt to reason and persuade, he need only assert his view as divinely revealed truth, which you accept or reject as you will. (Strike that…not as YOU will, certainly.) This removes one significant reason to be polite, civil and respectful of other views when presenting Calvinism.
Now certainly, the admonitions of Scripture toward loving and gentle behavior apply to and are acknowledged by Calvinist and Armenian alike. But human nature being what it is, especially on an impersonal and emotional-expression-challenged forum like the internet…it can take all the motivations amassable to maintain civility.
(Final caveat – I’ve no idea if the above is REALLY a major factor or not. I present it only as a logical possibility to be considered.)
Speaking from the Calvinist perspective I think that one major factor in Calvinistic unfriendliness is the extreme negative emotional reaction often experienced by Calvinist to Calvinism by those who disagree with it. It comes down many times to “How can you really believe in a God like that?” I have read the “Calvinist God” likened to Hitler. After a few encounters like that it is hard to see the whole thing as a friendly theological discussion.
I think they are so unfriendly because so many of them are hyper-calvinists. Of course they won’t admit it, but they believe it’s core tenants just the same. The internet has been really bad for it’s ability to cull out an enclave where things like hyper calvinism can flourish.
The Arminians get me angry when you try to debate them and they utterly refuse to look at scripture, no matter how many times you ask them to read John 6:44 they won’t do it. But the hypers are the really bad ones, they refuse to read almost anything at all.
As a Calvinist that grew up being taught that Calvinism was dirty and false but never being told why. I can say we (Calvinist) can get a bit nasty when it feels like 9 out of 10 conversations start off with the line. “no loving God could ever…” Or “if what you say is true then God is evil and we are robots”
Now I know that we sometimes launch the attacks but from what I have felt it tends to be we are overly defensive.
I thought it was just me
. My brother is a Calvanist and I’ve been to his church on several occasions. I have a lot of respect for my brother and tried to keep an objective view of it.
I have to say, the way they talk about non-Calvanists (I don’t actually know any Armenians) is difficult to sit for. One older gentelman once started out with what I thought was going to be a very thoughtfull remark…”you know, I have studied the (I think he said Armenian) for my whole life” he was a soft spoken old man, seemed very considerate…”And I have come to the conclusion that the reason they believe what they believe…is that they are just too pridefull to allow God to have full control”…WOW! That was it!!!??
LOL. Sorry, it just seemed like I might get something out of it. It really turned me away at that point. It was one of several condescending remarks made that day. And that one got to me because my Grandfather is not Calvanist and I would dare anyone to say he is too prideful to accept God’s omnipotence.
Actually my brother is the only Calvanist I’ve heard that could have a civil conversation about the subject. Not saying there aren’t any…just that there does seem to be a prevalence.
I don’t mean to add any conflict but a serious thought has occurred to me on this. Is it at all possible that the attitude is predicated on the theology itself? In other words, if we have no personal responsiblity for our salvation, why do we care if we ‘reach’ anyone else?
Reading that I just realized that my final comment was probably just as much an over simplification as what the old man said and also probably just about as offensive. SORRY
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Really don’t want to be argumentative. This was just an interesting topic sense I have personal experience. I always thought I should tell my brother he needs to start a sensativity class in his church
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Oh well, salvation is the same on both sides that is what is important. My brother, and his church family, are saved and love the Lord.
Calvinists would have no problem beating a deaf dog for not listening. They have a smug sense of superiority because they are Gods elite. They make God out to be an arbitrary unjust judge.
Roses are read. Violets are blue. This tulip says God dont like you!
You made me laugh, Colin. My experiences with Calvinists have really soured me, as well. By their fruit I shall know them…
I am not a Calvinist, but I am saved. I am not from this country and have only recently become aware of the term “Calvinism” and the doctrine.
Knowing how God has so transformed my life through belief in Jesus Christ, Am I a Christian or a Calvinist? If Christians and Calvinists are both Christians what is the objective of debates.
I am like the blind man that was healed by Jesus. I once was blind; but now I see without once hearing of Calvinism. Before this doctrine was anyone saved? Does belief in Jesus count, as stated in 1 John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name.
Was I predestinated to Salvation or to be conformed to the image of His son Jesus? I have family members who are not followers of Jesus does this mean they are not predestinate to salvation? If God says He is “no respecter of persons” What qualified me to be saved and not the other person of whom God is no respecter of?
I have to concede that I am just learning about the Calvinism Doctrine and it is confusing. I have more questions than answers, so I will continue to read my Bible, and ask the Holy Spirit to guide me to the answers like He has in so many other instances in the past.
Peace in Christ!
He hath set fire and water before thee: stretch forth thy hand unto whether thou wilt.
Before man is life and death; and whether him liketh shall be given him. (KJV Ecclesiasticus 15:15, 16)
If the scripture does not fit your theology, take it out of your Bible. That’s what that mass murderer, Calvin did.
He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. (John 8:44).
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